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| 24 Sep 07, 7:20 PM hedonistah ES, 9 yrs  |
So because we are omnivores, and eat animals, they all have no rights whatsoever? There is no point in animal welfare? The RSPCA are wasting their time, because as animals are food to most of us, they therefore have no rights to care, to protection from abuse? No, that arguement is not logical. ("/('o')/") | |||
| 24 Sep 07, 7:26 PM DillyTante UK, 7 yrs  |
Actually, what strikes me as illogical is that we do have animal welfare and we do try to protect some of the rights of animals - and yet don't go all the way and ban the eating and farming of them.
Dilly Edited 24 Sep 07, 7:27 PM by DillyTante | |||
| 24 Sep 07, 7:51 PM doulos UK(SW), 7 yrs |
Legal protection. How we treat choose to treat animals is still an important question, even a moral one, just not one that can be subject to legal sanction. Animals are not rights-bearing beings because they have no idea of their own rights, or of the rights of others. If you can't try a gorilla in court for killing another gorilla, then there is no way to establish their legal rights. They will always exist in a state of nature, rather than a state of society. "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken Edited 24 Sep 07, 7:53 PM by doulos | |||
| 24 Sep 07, 9:19 PM SisterFlaminghair US, 5 yrs |
As with anything, that depends on the dog. Breeding animals do not necessarily perform simply because they are exposed to one another when the female is in season. That's just one reason professional breeders often use artificial insemination. The ramifications of training a dog to respond sexually to a human can be far-reaching, because some dogs don't understand the limitations and the boundaries to the behavior. If that sort of dog ends up in a shelter, it will likely be destroyed rather than rehabilitated.
Yes. Animals can and do contract human STDs. Because the incidence of sexual abuse among larger dog breeds is more common than you'd think, in the US, many giant breed puppies are routinely tested for STDs at their first veterinarian visit.
In the US, it is. As to the discussion about wild dolphins. . . It is not unheard of for wild animals to respond sexually to stimulus from humans. If you don't know the body language and conditions under which they will respond, you could inadvertently do something to put yourself in danger. It is very common, in zoo and circus situations for trainers and handlers to masturbate the animals they are working with to help keep them emotionally stable and responsive. It is also common for animals to sexually interact across species, within genders and to masturbate. I am speaking from personal experience as both a domestic and wild animal trainer, a breeder, a rescue worker and. . .as this consent thing keeps taking preposterous turns - a vegetarian, though I think that's beside the point.
Edited 24 Sep 07, 9:20 PM by SisterFlaminghair | |||
| 24 Sep 07, 9:25 PM TailsLondon UK(SW), 7 yrs |
This article could be pertinent: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt07/haidt07_... And no, I don't eat dogs. | |||
| 24 Sep 07, 9:53 PM mini_velvet UK(EH), 6 yrs |
the dog is being a dog. it is for the human being to stop what is clearly inappropriate behaviour. As mentioned before many feel the link between children and animals in terms of ability to consent. You could continue that analogy for a while in this area. Children go through a stage of natural curiosity, they are discovering their own boundaries as well as everyone else's. The child who asks their mummy if they can marry them, the child who plays with their crotch in family photos, the child who tries to ride their doggie like a horse. They are learning. They are taught what is appropriate or not. Upon being asked by their 5 year old to marry them many mummies would smile and say one day or we'll see, it is an innocently asked question, it contains little harm. The parent and child who kiss each other on the mouth, they get to a certain age/stage where this no longer feels appropriate. Perhaps images of "bitty" spring to mums mind, who knows. One day 7 year old daughter sees naked daddy and asks what that is between his legs. Daddy explains, daughter asks if she can touch it. The daughter isn't *wrong* but she isn't appropriate either. It's for the parent to explain why to the little girl. The fact that a child or an animal *will* do something doesn't mean they *should* be doing it. Incidentally- I have owned numerous cats over the years and have successfully managed to never find myself in a playing with their bollocks for pleasure scenario. If someone's dog were to lick my crotch I would stop it. Immediately. I wouldn't blame the dog for doing it, but I would not allow it to continue doing so. And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. | |||
| 24 Sep 07, 10:07 PM Prunesquallor UK(RG), 6 yrs |
Sorry, dogs never fight to the death in a natural environment. | |||
| 24 Sep 07, 10:15 PM JudyInDsGuise UK(E), 9 yrs |
"Clearly inappropriate behaviour"? judy
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| 24 Sep 07, 10:18 PM mini_velvet UK(EH), 6 yrs |
is that a question? And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. | |||
| 24 Sep 07, 10:20 PM JudyInDsGuise UK(E), 9 yrs |
Yes, what part was "clearly inappropriate behaviour"? (It's not that clear, you see). judy
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