Artists and Subspace (21)

Every woman adores a fascist - Sylvia Plath

I don't necessarily subscribe to the 'filtering out reality' idea of 'creating something deep from within yourself' as in both art and science deep thoughts can very much relate to reality but not in an immediate or superficial way.

As to the orgasm, say for instance that is influenced by fantasy then it could not necessarily be called 'stimuli free' in the sense that fantasy would probably relate to previously stored 'stimuli'. It would be 'stimuli' free in the sense of immediate physical stimuli though.

As to artists being more susceptible to subspace I would guess that many artists are also dommes and I have not seen any research n this. There are certainly a lot of creative people interested in bdsm in all their varieties I would guess.

This all sounds a little pedantic to me now but I'll post it for my sins anyway.

You can be in my dream if I can be in your dream.

As for your first point, in my own personal experience my being used to filtering out reality during the creative process has helped in reaching subspace. In fact, the first time I hit subspace the first thing I thought was that it was incredibly similar to when I get really involved in my artwork. Though, having that thought completely snapped me out of it, which was annoying.

In order to get into subspace I do follow the same kind of mental process as I would when making art. It certainly is a shortcut for me, but it does require the other person to engage me in a psychological and emotional sense. Some people just can't do it for me in that way at all. I can only take that mental process so far, it does take two to tango.

I've only manage to achieve subspace with one person. I think the reason I was able to hit subspace with them is that she found a way of triggering my creativity during the scene. Whether it was intentional or not, I don't know, but it sure worked... she was a psychologist though, so who knows what mind tricks she was up to?

As for susceptibility to subspace, I don't think it happens for all artists. Not all artists can even get that involved in their own work to be able to filter out reality. I know one or two for whom art is simply a mechanical process that doesn't involve themselves on a personal level.

I hope some of this made sense to you more than it did to me typing it.

I'd like to describe myself as an artist. I don't think I filter out reality when I create something. I become distant, yes, and I often lose track of what's going on around me when I draw. But that is concentration.

I also don't think that I filter out reality when I go into "subspace". I actually hate that term - subspace - and prefer to call the state of mind acceptance. It's when I give up all notion of being able to influence or control my fate. I accept what is happening and what is coming, and thus I can let go of everything else and just ride the wave.

Being creative, painting or drawing induce an entirely different feeling in me than when I am submitting. But that's just me.

If you are highlighting the link between creative people and kinky people, I'd say it's got more to do with active imaginations and desires that reach beyond the normal physical world, a desire to explore the inner recesses and bring them to the surface than a susceptibility to certain emotions or states of being.

I don't wish to be everything to everyone, but I would like to be something to someone

I'd agree with this.

I'd also bring up the point that many artists have a strong "mathmatical" element to their minds that's often overlooked and this I've found really useful on my side of things (Domination) to ease people into subspace by creating linear lines and focusing their minds. Artists maybe more susceptible to this, I'm not sure, I haven't made a survey - I would be more inclined to say that "people" are more susceptible to this, if they "want" to be.

Very well put! I'd say you are spot on with those points right there... just wish I'd put them in my post now.

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Every woman adores a fascist - Sylvia Plath

I concentrate when painting and focus on what I'm doing (the only similarity being the focus) but I don't go spacey or inside or somewhere else when I'm painting like I do when being taken to that point by someone else.

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In my experience, and I include myself in this, all artists are ponces.

But not all ponces are artists.

If you just mean 'is there a connection between imagination and suggestibility?', well yes, of course there is. 'Filtering out reality' isn't the way I'd describe it though.

- Chris

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Love and understanding is for one another"
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