Britain and Russia (13)

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Posted by Prunesquallor on Tue 17 Jul 07, 12:13 PM

As Moscow_slave chose to disable replies, I will have to ask my question here.

"I find Britain's actions shameful, ambiguous and as quoted by a Russian official, immoral."

Why? It's a genuine question, asked in the knowledge that none of us gets unbiased information through our media.

So, why?

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17 Jul 07, 12:29 PM
druidic
UK(DD), 8 yrs
Y!
Would like to know too.
FIFE & TAYSIDE MUNCH
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17 Jul 07, 12:41 PM
Sinmara
UK(SW), 3 yrs
Y!
if the Russian spy is really not guilty, why doesn't he stand for trial here then?
I find Russians actions quite shameful, to be honest. For once I think the British government is doing something right. Let's not bow to the threats of the Russian government.
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17 Jul 07, 12:45 PM
x_flaire_x
UK, 7 yrs
Surely it's immoral to murder a British citizen* (and in a particularly horrible manner)?
f x
*or anyone for that matter, I hasten to add!

17 Jul 07, 12:52 PM
Kassandra
UK(EH), 4 yrs
x_flaire_x wrote:
Surely it's immoral to murder a British citizen* (and in a particularly horrible manner)?
f x
*or anyone for that matter, I hasten to add!
Not to mention the innocent bystanders put at risk too.
If he has nothing to hide then let him come and prove it in public.

"You could have a change of heart if you would only change your mind"

17 Jul 07, 12:57 PM
Maugrim
UK, 3 yrs

Sinmara wrote:
if the Russian spy is really not guilty, why doesn't he stand for trial here then?
I find Russians actions quite shameful, to be honest. For once I think the British government is doing something right. Let's not bow to the threats of the Russian government.
I know nothing about the dramatis personae in this case, but I find the assertion that if he has done nothing wrong then he has nothing to fear spectacularly naive. If the roles were reversed, would we take the same view? If it were a British citizen and, say, a Syrian extradition request, would we take the same view?
- M.

17 Jul 07, 1:52 PM
Sinmara
UK(SW), 3 yrs
Y!

Maugrim wrote:

Sinmara wrote:
if the Russian spy is really not guilty, why doesn't he stand for trial here then?
I find Russians actions quite shameful, to be honest. For once I think the British government is doing something right. Let's not bow to the threats of the Russian government.
I know nothing about the dramatis personae in this case, but I find the assertion that if he has done nothing wrong then he has nothing to fear spectacularly naive. If the roles were reversed, would we take the same view? If it were a British citizen and, say, a Syrian extradition request, would we take the same view?
- M.

with the difference that our courts are still fairly good, if you really want to take Syria as an example - http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Middle-... - not sure if he'd get a fair trial in Syria. British Courts have their flaws, but the chances he's getting a fair trial over here are much higher than in Russia, if it would be the other way round.
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17 Jul 07, 2:36 PM
Doghouse_Reilly
UK(E), 3 yrs

Prunesquallor wrote:
As Moscow_slave chose to disable replies, I will have to ask my question here.
"I find Britain's actions shameful, ambiguous and as quoted by a Russian official, immoral."
Why? It's a genuine question, asked in the knowledge that none of us gets unbiased information through our media.
So, why?
We have the Chechen equivalent to Osama Bin Laden living unmolested in Muswell Hill. We also have Boris Beresovski (I'm afraid I can't spell it, but that's what it sounds like) a man wanted for massive fraud, living in London, safe behind his billions of dollars.
Now we can say that if we gave those people back to Russia they'd be fucked. The Chechen resistance leader wouldn't last five seconds and while I doubt Beresovski earned his money completely honestly (nobody did in Yeltsin's day) he too would be for an unceremonious splatting if Putin got his hands on him. So this is an ethical dilemma.
Personally I think with the business of missile defences already acting as a red rag to a bull this business with the London poisoning is best forgotten. Spies come into countries and kill people. That's what they do. We can't claim the moral high ground, we invaded Iraq. That's a million times worse than sending an assassin in to whack an enemy of the state.
Britain is not in the right, we can't hold Russian criminals out of the hands of the Russian police and expect them to give up people we want to talk to.
The Dude abides.

17 Jul 07, 2:50 PM
Maugrim
UK, 3 yrs

Sinmara wrote:
with the difference that our courts are still fairly good,...

Blimey! Tell that to the poor shmucks who were clobbered by Ore!
I'm afraid I think you live in a fantasy world.
- M.

17 Jul 07, 2:57 PM
Sinmara
UK(SW), 3 yrs
Y!

Maugrim wrote:

Sinmara wrote:
with the difference that our courts are still fairly good,...

Blimey! Tell that to the poor shmucks who were clobbered by Ore!
I'm afraid I think you live in a fantasy world.
- M.

I said 'fairly' and later on that they do have their faults - I know very well that British Courts can be crap. But compared to Russian ones or Syrian ones we are indeed blessed.

------------------------------------------- This is the Island of Zombie Women

17 Jul 07, 3:25 PM
Maugrim
UK, 3 yrs

Sinmara wrote:
I said 'fairly' and later on that they do have their faults - I know very well that British Courts can be crap. But compared to Russian ones or Syrian ones we are indeed blessed.

Yes, on that we can agree. Of course the Syrians and Russians may not share our perspective, at least not universally.
- M.

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