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Protocol - The Japanese Approach (68)

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Wed 30 May 07, 3:38 PM
Belasarius
UK(M), 8 yrs



I was deeply impressed by the weblog post from broken_kitten linked to below:

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/weblogs/broken_...

I find this interesting, challenging and potentially useful - although I'm only half-sure i want to find out what other people think of me.

Seriously, what do others think of this idea?

BeLuS

Edited Thu 2 Aug 07, 12:24 PM by Belasarius

30 May 07, 4:50 PM
Raegan
5 yrs
I thought it was an extremely interesting blog too. I don't know much about Japanese language or culture because it's not something I feel drawn to and I wouldn't feel comfortable about using the suffixes in case of causing offense because of my lack of knowledge about them.

But I do think it is an interesting idea especially within a BDSM community where there are people whose skills at certain techniques should be recognised and applauded. It might also be a good system for recognising new and inexperienced people for their own benefit, although I'm not sure how that works exactly as, if I'm understanding this right, it is other people who bestow the suffix to you. But it would certainly help new people in recognising people they could turn to for advice.

It also seems like a very elegant way of admiring or insulting people around you, which is definately something that appeals :) and in my mind it's certianly better than Master/Slave.

Dominance is the ability to create a hunger in someone that's so strong they will do anything, anytime, anywhere just to please you.

30 May 07, 5:15 PM
Baron_Morgan
UK(N), 6 yrs
I like the idea, particular the way a suffix is earned rather than simply applied to oneself. Unfortunately I imagine there would be endless one-up-manship, especially among Doms/Dommes, with people deliberately using low-status suffixs for others in place of referring to themselves as Supreme Overlord/Goddess ect. Maybe I'm just being cynical.
30 May 07, 5:19 PM
VGTsangel
UK(NP), 10 yrs

Belasarius wrote:
I was deeply impressed by the weblog post from broken_kitten linked to below:

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/weblogs/broken_...

I find this interesting, challenging and potentially useful - although I'm only half-sure i wantto find out what other people think of me.

Seriously, what do others think of this idea?

BeLuS

I am fascinated with the whole Geisha thing. I would love to master the tea ceremonies as it is very sensual and sexy. I am not sure about the language, I do not see that I have a need for that but I did find the weblog interesting.

angel

His angel, well most of the time!

30 May 07, 5:38 PM
P_and_s
6 yrs
Belasarius wrote:
I was deeply impressed by the weblog post from broken_kitten linked to below:

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/weblogs/broken_...

I find this interesting, challenging and potentially useful - although I'm only half-sure i wantto find out what other people think of me.

Seriously, what do others think of this idea?

BeLuS

I have never come across this before, but it seems to me that it probably explains the Japanese obsession with "face" and how making a mistake and losing face ends up with the requirement to impale your guts on your own sword to make recompense!

Philip

30 May 07, 7:54 PM
Deviant_Bitch
UK(G), 6 yrs

Is it not lovely to still in this day and age know that there is still respect and place.

Wii's are like buses you wait months for one and then two come along.

31 May 07, 1:09 AM
Tanos*
UK(M), 14 yrs

ConfinedMonster wrote:
It also seems like a very elegant way of admiring or insulting people around you, which is definately something that appeals :) and in my mind it's certianly better than Master/Slave.

Funnily enough, there's a not dissimilar thread about recognising hierarchy via (Leather) protocols on the MAsT_Open Yahoo group at the moment...

Regards,

Tanos

M/s and in the UK? The Master-slave-uk Yahoo Group is open for new members again.

31 May 07, 5:19 PM
subwhisper
5 yrs
I use sama when addressing a couple that I sub to on occasion.. Since it's so unusual, it's kind of more special and close. *shrugs* just me. :3

And I get called 'chan' by just about every other anime fan I know. X3

1 Jun 07, 2:56 PM
Belasarius
UK(M), 8 yrs



Baron_Morgan wrote:
I like the idea, particular the way a suffix is earned rather than simply applied to oneself. Unfortunately I imagine there would be endless one-up-manship, especially among Doms/Dommes, with people deliberately using low-status suffixs for others in place of referring to themselves as Supreme Overlord/Goddess ect. Maybe I'm just being cynical.

Sadly I don't think you are being over-cynical: I guess the proof of the pudding would be whether this became successfully self moderating by view of it's reciprocity - ie you get called something by the person to whom you've ascribed a low status: It might encourage co-opeative rather than competitiv behaviour, especially as there are many here who would not wish to be given a "dominant" honorific in any case.

3 Jun 07, 1:09 AM
subwhisper
5 yrs
Belasarius wrote:
Baron_Morgan wrote:
I like the idea, particular the way a suffix is earned rather than simply applied to oneself. Unfortunately I imagine there would be endless one-up-manship, especially among Doms/Dommes, with people deliberately using low-status suffixs for others in place of referring to themselves as Supreme Overlord/Goddess ect. Maybe I'm just being cynical.

Sadly I don't think you are being over-cynical: I guess the proof of the pudding would be whether this became successfully self moderating by view of it's reciprocity - ie you get called something by the person to whom you've ascribed a low status: It might encourage co-opeative rather than competitiv behaviour, especially as there are many here who would not wish to be given a "dominant" honorific in any case.

Yeah, but I can see that being turned around as well. There are many annoying subs who treat *everyone* else like a superior. As a sub myself, I find this really unnerving and/or annoying in extremes.

so if another sub called me senpai or sama, it would be kind uncomfortable.

3 Jun 07, 5:35 PM
Belasarius
UK(M), 8 yrs



subwhisper wrote:
There are many annoying subs who treat *everyone* else like a superior. As a sub myself, I find this really unnerving and/or annoying in extremes.

so if another sub called me senpai or sama, it would be kind uncomfortable.

I gues to demur defeats the principle - to say that one feels uncomfortable with the honour bestowed perhaps?

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