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Posted by IndelibleMarker on Mon 16 Apr 07, 3:28 PM to IndelibleMarker's blog.

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16 Apr 07, 3:42 PM
ThedaVamp
UK, 6 yrs
Women have learned to talk to each other more I think. Shared experiences, collective empathy.

It's the reason why Catholics have such low suicide rates - they have confession and can get things off of their chests when feeling stress or angst or guilt.

Sadly, men don't have this outlet as often as women do and they tend to internalise it. Boys don't cry is still more than a Cure song, men are still actively discouraged from emotional release from a very young age and it's more often than not by other men.

http://imafeministand.blogspot.com/

16 Apr 07, 3:46 PM
Evil_Black_Alice
UK, 5 yrs
ThedaVamp wrote:

Sadly, men don't have this outlet as often as women do and they tend to internalise it. Boys don't cry is still more than a Cure song, men are still actively discouraged from emotional release from a very young age and it's more often than not by other men.

No emotional release, not sharing (women talk, everyone knows that) There is a shocking amount of men with mental health problems, I know far more men than women who have suffered from it, yet I know more women then men.

Sad but true.

16 Apr 07, 3:58 PM
IndelibleMarker
UK(E), 6 yrs


A lot of people are commenting on the topic and although everyone is giving reasons why suicide rates are higher in men than they are in women but the majority of those are obvious as I showed in the blog. People don't really seem to be hitting the heart of the question...

Which is:

What has happened since the 1960s to mean that suicide rates in men are rising rapidly while suicide rates in women are unchanged?

Tuam matrem feci,
Patrick
IndelibleMarker

16 Apr 07, 4:02 PM
Tothaema
5 yrs
IndelibleMarker wrote:
Is that medias fault, or stereotypes that have been set upon us by society?

I never liked feminism. From what I know in most cases it's not about men and women being EQUAL, but almost about women being SUPERIOR than men. Equal rights - I'm all up for it, but when, as you said, in almost every film now there is an episode where a girl will beat the crap out of a guy and then humiliate him to the point of crying - w00t???

And, honestly, men and women never were and never will be COMPLETELY equal - they have been "created" different to balance each other and I personally prefer not to argue with Mother-Nature :-)

But, it's only my opinion and, though I might be wrong, for now I'll stick with it :-)

Long live the Kink!

16 Apr 07, 4:06 PM
BarbieSlutLoki
UK(E), 6 yrs
Tothaema wrote:
IndelibleMarker wrote:
Is that medias fault, or stereotypes that have been set upon us by society?

I never liked feminism. From what I know in most cases it's not about men and women being EQUAL, but almost about women being SUPERIOR than men. Equal rights - I'm all up for it, but when, as you said, in almost every film now there is an episode where a girl will beat the crap out of a guy and then humiliate him to the point of crying - w00t???

And, honestly, men and women never were and never will be COMPLETELY equal - they have been "created" different to balance each other and I personally prefer not to argue with Mother-Nature :-)

But, it's only my opinion and, though I might be wrong, for now I'll stick with it :-)

That's how I feel but the PC police will jump on you for saying it

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16 Apr 07, 4:09 PM
Tothaema
5 yrs
loki_uk wrote:
That's how I feel but the PC police will jump on you for saying it

"Am I bovvered?!" :-D

But you're right, of course...

Long live the Kink!

16 Apr 07, 4:15 PM
Sinmara
UK(N), 6 yrs
IndelibleMarker wrote:

What has happened since the 1960s to mean that suicide rates in men are rising rapidly while suicide rates in women are unchanged?

Because men can't deal with giving some of their power away (the genders are far from being equal anyway, who's in the governments? men. etcetc).

Feminism (in my opinion) is not about getting it even with men, but to claim what's ours anyway. We're talking about the western world now, it's still dark ages in most of other parts in the world.

------------------------------------------- This is the Island of Zombie Women

16 Apr 07, 4:41 PM
IndelibleMarker
UK(E), 6 yrs


Tothaema wrote:
IndelibleMarker wrote:
Is that medias fault, or stereotypes that have been set upon us by society?

I never liked feminism. From what I know in most cases it's not about men and women being EQUAL, but almost about women being SUPERIOR than men. Equal rights - I'm all up for it, but when, as you said, in almost every film now there is an episode where a girl will beat the crap out of a guy and then humiliate him to the point of crying - w00t???

And, honestly, men and women never were and never will be COMPLETELY equal - they have been "created" different to balance each other and I personally prefer not to argue with Mother-Nature :-)

But, it's only my opinion and, though I might be wrong, for now I'll stick with it :-)

Well thats technically wrong.

In society we use dictionaries to define ideas and feminism is the idea that men and women are equal. The thing is being an -ist word it has become synonimous with female supremecy. Which isn't true - its the uneducated masses perception.

But, the uneducated masses hold a lot of power and I have advocated for a long time that equalitarian feministts call themselves Equalitarians to break the problem.

Men are women are not equal. Black men and white men are not equal. Dogs and cats are not equal. In my view, people who try and blanket every human as being the same are as bad as sexists and racists because they are ignoring the fundamental things which make us such wonderfully diverse individuals.

Tuam matrem feci,
Patrick
IndelibleMarker

16 Apr 07, 4:48 PM
IndelibleMarker
UK(E), 6 yrs


Sinmara wrote:
IndelibleMarker wrote:

What has happened since the 1960s to mean that suicide rates in men are rising rapidly while suicide rates in women are unchanged?

Because men can't deal with giving some of their power away (the genders are far from being equal anyway, who's in the governments? men. etcetc).

I'm afraid I think that was quite a sexist and close minded thing to say.

I highly doubt that men can't handle giving up some of the "power".

Surely something along the lines of men are still seen by society as needing to be the provider and protecter in a household and as women are now finding their feet in the working world more and more men are finding that they are not able to maintain that role?

Try having some compassion for others, after all this is the Western World.

Tuam matrem feci,
Patrick
IndelibleMarker

Edited 16 Apr 07, 4:53 PM by IndelibleMarker

16 Apr 07, 4:52 PM
IndelibleMarker
UK(E), 6 yrs


Lovely post

If you read the above post I made I have a strong feeling that that is why it is (women finding their feet in the worldplace are making jobs for men more difficult to find and men still feel they should be the provider and protecter)

Suicide rates in young people are getting increasingly worst at a very fast rate. Amongst older generations in both males and females suicide rates are slowly dropping.

Miss_submissive wrote:
I don't know the actual reasons - does anyone? But I do have some ideas to throw into the pot.

I do think life has got less stressful in terms of physical work that people are required to do. How my mother and grandmothers managed their lives sometimes puzzles me. They were amazing women and I admire them for their achievements. But I think the level of mental stress has increased. Someone raised the point the other day about how many people's jobs have become more automated and computer orientated, making them boring, with little sense of skill, control or achievement. That is only one of the changes in society that have in my mind made it more stressful -though there are others.

Being in a relationship can obviously be the major support in one's life. And, for many reasons, the trend has been for more people to live alone.

Relating to your point about emotional expression, I think there is still a big divide there. Women often (not always) have a good network of friends who support them through the difficult times in their lives. So they can offload, cry, scream, be outraged, express their vulnerability and come through it. Friends who will call every day when you are low; check that you are ok; make sure that you socialise even when you might not feel up to much; send you cards, flowers, notes etc to cheer you up.

But these friendships don't appear from nowhere when you need them. They are developed over time. It is my experience that many men do not develop or even want close or friendships of that kind. Which may in turn mean that they are more vulnerable. I'm not sure if this is changing and it would be good to know if there is a difference for younger age groups.

Just a few thoughts - though maybe totally barking up the wrong tree. And it's not intended a judgment about men, delightful creatures that they are; just an attempt to understand why the suicide rate is so high.

Regards

Miss_submissive

Tuam matrem feci,
Patrick
IndelibleMarker

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