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| 3 Apr 07, 10:35 PM MMs_lavenderblossom 8 yrs  |
I agree I wonder if the men who have this view would feel the same if it was their Mother, sister, daughter that had been raped????? | ||||
| 3 Apr 07, 10:37 PM mq1965 UK(DA), 8 yrs  |
I think it is worth pointing out that that article is four years old and this is an area in which huge improvements have been taking place. Check out the Havens for an example. | ||||
| 3 Apr 07, 10:51 PM mq1965 UK(DA), 8 yrs |
MKane may not have put it very diplomatically, but there are some false accusations made, whatever the reasons. And some of them go right through all the process of reporting it and going to court. For the victim of a false accusation the effects can be virtually as devastating, in some ways more so, than being raped. People's lives can be utterly destroyed by that as well. It may not be many, difficult to tell, but because there are some it makes it very difficult for anyone to know which are the genuine victims. The one who do make false accusations unfortunately make life much more difficult for genuine victims. | ||||
| 3 Apr 07, 10:51 PM emark UK, 8 yrs |
Having said that, it does make me think and get a bit confused or stressed when I think of real world non-consensual acts sometimes, and usually I'm comparing to the acts being much harder - e.g., if I'm being beaten, I might think what if this for real, and much harder, and I couldn't stop it. But as I say, it's not clear why that shouldn't be any different to sex - if I'm being penetrated, there's no reason why I shouldn't have the same sudden fears of "what if this was non-consensual and he wouldn't stop". Indeed, sometimes I do have those thoughts... To reply to the OP, I can see it may paint a bad image because many people are illogical and don't understand the difference that consent makes in BDSM, but I don't see anything that suggests anyone claimed it was consensual. | ||||
| 4 Apr 07, 11:36 AM x_Red_x 6 yrs |
There was something I was told, many years ago. It was one, simple sentence. Rape will never be taken seriously until it is men who are the main victims. I still have no reason whatsoever to doubt that statement.
Red | ||||
| 4 Apr 07, 12:49 PM MKane 9 yrs |
Dear oh dear, I do hope you feel better for getting that off your chest. lol. The vehemence of your retort actually makes you appear to be the one with the bitter and twisted outlook. It is a fact that jurors in rape trials were commonly advised to treat the woman's testimony with special caution since a charge of rape was "easily made and difficult to defend against, even if the accused is innocent" (which was the whole point of my original post). All too often, however, feminist rhetoric merely replaced the old stereotypes that viewed most rape complainants as scorned women or sex-crazed neurotics with an equally simplistic cliché: "Women don't lie about rape." Legal theorist Catharine MacKinnon asserts that "feminism is built on believing women's accounts of sexual use and abuse by men.". FBI statistics show that about 9 percent of rape reports are "unfounded", when the accuser recants or when her story is not just unsupported but *actually contradicted* by evidence. Unfortunately, you merely demonstrated that you have also not understood the point being made, that it is EASY TO MAKE AN ACCUSATION AGAINST SOMEONE, who may very well have thought the whole thing was consensual at the time. --------------------------------------------------- - Edited 4 Apr 07, 1:26 PM by MKane | ||||
| 4 Apr 07, 12:53 PM MKane 9 yrs |
Like this guy? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headl... Men can be the victims, and do take it very seriously. --------------------------------------------------- - Edited 4 Apr 07, 1:09 PM by MKane | ||||
| 4 Apr 07, 1:15 PM Crystal_Eyes UK, 5 yrs   |
My suspicion is that a greater deal of that has to do with the trauma associated with reporting the rape in the first place, never mind the distress of reliving the ordeal should it actually ever get to trial. Add to that the statistics (as, as you rightly point out, getting a successful conviction is extrememly difficult), & i think you'll find the withdrawal of accusations is more to do with the victim weighing up the trauma against the likelihood of getting a conviction, & deciding it isn't worth it. ~ = ~ = ~ = xcLx = ~ = ~ = ~ | ||||
| 4 Apr 07, 1:20 PM x_Red_x 6 yrs |
As someone who has suffered rape at knife point and later a date rape, I doubt that many people take rape more seriously than I or others who have suffered at the hands of rapists (male or female). As for you, John, you really need to get that wedgie out of your butt, it's riding up to your neck and choking off the blood flow to your brain. I know lots of rape survivors. The number one reason for not reporting it? The unsympathetic attitude of the police - not just male police, but police in general. That combined with the CPS's attitude is completely crap. Even today. Yes, there has been progress, but not a whole hell of a lot. And I talk about FEMALE rape here, ie the raping of women. What happens when a man walks into a police station and reports a rape? All hell breaks lose. God forbid an MAN should be raped. I'm afraid too many of us have seen the contrast in reaction in action for my statement now to be anything more than fact. Time you got off your highly educated horse my friend and started talking to the people you and others have been looking down your nose at lately. It's ok, the air down here is perfectly breathable. Red | ||||
| 4 Apr 07, 1:22 PM webmonkey 4 yrs |
This whole thread is very depressing. For some reason I had a belief that the BDSM community was more enlightened than this. Last time I looked, 1 in 5 women had experienced rape. I don't mean 'date-rape' or 'border-line-rape', but that particular act of violence where the woman has clearly not given any kind of consent in any shape or form. Its not just statistics either, of the 5 or so women I know well enough to talk about such things, 3 have been raped. They didn't report it to the police either. If you think the lack of reporting is telling, I know a man who was raped too - he didn't tell anyone for 30 years. There may be cases where the perpetrator didn't realise that they were doing anything wrong, but if you punch someone, and they fall, hit their head and later die of their injuries, no-one will be surprised if you're charged with murder or manslaughter - even if they 'asked for it' by being insulting or lippy. Truelly appalling. |
MKane that is the biggest pile of shite I've read in a long time!!! WTF??? 
