Puppy play gone wrong... (78)

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3 Apr 07, 7:41 PM
Lady_in_training
UK(PA), 4 yrs
Alot of people when doing a more advanced scene would try and build up a relationship. That might be easier to prove consent. I do realise that it is hard when you take so much for granted but not all of us do. I have been asked to do things that I was not comfortable with and I refused because I thought it looked dangerous or hard to prove consent.
God put me in charge so it is all my fault... sorry.

3 Apr 07, 7:54 PM
Dylan_Skin
UK, 4 yrs

littlenic wrote:

Doghouse_Reilly wrote:
I don't see how there are any BDSM connotations to this at all, or am I missing something? Actually I'm probably missing a lot, the story isn't very informative.
I was thinking the same thing. Just because we see puppy play, I can't see that it must be - might it not just be two blokes being bastards / "having a laugh"? I'm pretty sure none of my vanilla mates would see this and say "oh, kinky bastards" - "sick bastards" maybe...

Absolutely - anyone seen that film, "Love, Honour and Obey"?

3 Apr 07, 8:04 PM
spankomike
6 yrs

frapperia wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/652266...
This is worrying and makes puppy play seem like a really negative thing. Clearly this particular man was coerced into the situation, but for a lot of us, this (apart from the washing powder - wtf???) wouldn't be that big a thing. It's humiliation, the cigarette burning is a pain thing and the shaving, well, that is a little bit silly, but I'm sure some people on here do it to their subs.
This only makes BDSM look worse in the eyes of the 'vanilla' crowd, and I don't really know what to think about it. Is it terrible that I thought most of what that article was talking about sounded like a brilliant (if unrealistic) fantasy?
Puppy play? I wouldn't treat my dog like that, and I wouldn't treat a human like that. It annoys me that people think it is normal to mistreat animals, because it is only a short step from being cruel to animals to being cruel to humans. As Dr Doolittle said, 'Why do we treat animals.. like animals?
My understand of puppy play is that it is about a loving relationship between 'puppy' and owner, much like that experienced by true loving pet owners.. Sigh..

3 Apr 07, 8:41 PM
Ishmael
UK(EN), 10 yrs

MKane wrote:
Yeah, cos nobody ever makes false accusations, do they? lol
Sounds like you've already found them guilty of all charges, and are preparing the tar & feathers, based on one person's accusations. No need for any more evidence or a trial.
On the other hand, it's a bizarre accusation just to make up, isn't it? And if a couple of geezers, who knew what they were doing, decided to make the poor guy be a dog, irrespective of his consent, they could very probably have done it, generally if you overpower someone and then hurt them often enough, they probably will be a dog if that's what makes the hurt stop, at least in the short term.
I did read about a similar case in Stoke about 20 years ago, in which a woman was forced to be servant to a group of 'friends', calling them 'your majesty' etc
And false accusations do get made, but as far as I know sexual assaults and rapes happen rather more often.

3 Apr 07, 9:04 PM
Ishmael
UK(EN), 10 yrs

mq1965 wrote:
As far as the original post is concerned I understand I think what the OP is saying. Many of our fantasies would be truly appalling if acted out with non-consenting victims. When you read about something that you might enjoying doing with a consensual partner happening to someone who doesn't consent it can give you real pause for thought.
Shit, yeah!
The whole fantasy behind London Corporal Punishment School would be horrific if it were really happening - quite beside the beatings and sexual abuse, it would all be happening to teenagers - and even if it weren't, the level of implied co-ercion to make it happen non-consensually would be horrible in itself.
We are eroticising that which, in the real world, are really nasty things to do - immobilasation, beating, torture, humiliation - the stuff of certain Third World governments (and America, obviously) becomes sex game for consenting partners.
There's actually no real suprise here - grown ups playing grown up Cops n Robbers as elaborate sexual foreplay is not really a very big leap - far less wierd than the tabloids would like people to think - the important thing is to remember, when fantasising about the next time you work your lover over with your Doc Martens and rubber truncheon, that the real thing isn't fun or sexy or a game, because what's happening to the poor fucker in a Turkish prison *is* more important than our right to a happy sex life.

3 Apr 07, 9:04 PM
ThedaVamp
UK, 4 yrs

MKane wrote:
Reminds me of situations when a man meets a woman and has consensual sex and then next thing he's arrested for rape, just cos the woman gets pissed off that he didn't send flowers next morning.
MKane that is the biggest pile of shite I've read in a long time!!! WTF???
Because women cry rape all the time don't they? 2% rate of false accusations were made because the women were a bit bored or upset and decided that "Hey! I know what! All this stuff about the enormous number of rapists not being prosecuted, all these stats about how the number of rapes is over 50% higher than the published figures because women don't report them and how getting cross examined by police and the courts really makes me want to try and push the odds and see if I can get some sympathy here!"
Fuck you and fuck your bitter twisted outlook. I don't care if I get banned. It needed to be said.
http://imafeministand.blogspot.com/

3 Apr 07, 9:07 PM
Ishmael
UK(EN), 10 yrs

mq1965 wrote:
It's good to have a reality check occasionally about what we do, a reminder that it is very important to always be sure that everyone involved is genuinely happy and consenting.
Yeah, one time I was playing with a favourite Top, and in response to a suggestion, she arched an eyebrow and asked 'Are you sure you want me to do this?'
My stomach flipped over.

3 Apr 07, 9:11 PM
delicioussub
UK(RM), 9 yrs
Y!
What Theda said.....
Oh and a report on what a woman (or man to some degree) can expect when reporting a rape.... not something many would do lightly I suspect.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3077635.stm
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3 Apr 07, 9:14 PM
frapperia
UK, 3 yrs
spankomike wrote:
Puppy play? I wouldn't treat my dog like that, and I wouldn't treat a human like that. It annoys me that people think it is normal to mistreat animals, because it is only a short step from being cruel to animals to being cruel to humans. As Dr Doolittle said, 'Why do we treat animals.. like animals?
My understand of puppy play is that it is about a loving relationship between 'puppy' and owner, much like that experienced by true loving pet owners.. Sigh..

Not that I've ever done any of what was in the article, and nor would I personally go beyond the bounds of fantasy in acting most of it out, but everyone's different. One person's 'loving relationship' where the 'puppy' curls up at the feet, is fed treats, whatever, is another person's 'humiliation play', where the 'puppy' might be shaved of body hair or pushed to a hard limit by taking them outside.
I am not saying for a minute that the men in this article were into BDSM but considering that similar fantasies and kinds of roleplay are evident in parts of the kinky community, it doesn't exactly reflect well on us. And as far as it not involving any BDSM, I rather think the way the men treated the poor bloke was a form of 'dominance' and what they were doing was pretty sadistic...

3 Apr 07, 9:44 PM
x_Red_x
4 yrs
ThedaVamp wrote:

MKane wrote:
Reminds me of situations when a man meets a woman and has consensual sex and then next thing he's arrested for rape, just cos the woman gets pissed off that he didn't send flowers next morning.
MKane that is the biggest pile of shite I've read in a long time!!! WTF???
Because women cry rape all the time don't they? 2% rate of false accusations were made because the women were a bit bored or upset and decided that "Hey! I know what! All this stuff about the enormous number of rapists not being prosecuted, all these stats about how the number of rapes is over 50% higher than the published figures because women don't report them and how getting cross examined by police and the courts really makes me want to try and push the odds and see if I can get some sympathy here!"
Fuck you and fuck your bitter twisted outlook. I don't care if I get banned. It needed to be said.
Give that woman a standing ovation!
Red
www.fallenangeldesign.co.uk
Happily ensconced with my true Master

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