Puppy play gone wrong... (78)

Unfortunately it does happen. Not all the time by any means, and probably not because he didn't send her flowers.

But it happens, and the fact that it is known to happen occasionally is probably one of the big reasons juries are so reluctant to convict people for rape.

As far as the original post is concerned I understand I think what the OP is saying. Many of our fantasies would be truly appalling if acted out with non-consenting victims. When you read about something that you might enjoying doing with a consensual partner happening to someone who doesn't consent it can give you real pause for thought.

I think that is a good thing, because a lot of what we do could be dangerous, and it is possible to get carried away, to push someone beyond their limits. It's good to have a reality check occasionally about what we do, a reminder that it is very important to always be sure that everyone involved is genuinely happy and consenting.

And you haven't already found the 'victim' guilty of crying wolf???? Aren't you being as judgemental as you're decrying others for being?

I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.

That's pretty hard to say anything clear about really. If someone gets arrested for beating their spouse that's generally not presumed to be an instance of non-consensual SM (although that can be the case for a number of people) whereas if it's something more perverse by society's standards it may be presumed (by members of the BDSM community and 'nilla people) to be SM-related. Whether there's any clear justification for the difference in response seems difficult to work out.

moo

Well I thought I'd been clear enough, but to try and spell it out for those who don't understand the point... What I'm saying is... there is always a possibility of someone making a false accusation, and it is also easy for anyone doing BDSM to find themselves in the same position.

What we do as part of our BDSM scenes *IS* illegal. Have you read about the Spanner case? Spanner established the basic rule that consent is no defence to an assault charge arising from sadomasochistic play, so long as the injury is more than trivial. Bleeding, breaking the skin and bruising will strictly speaking break the law.

Tying someone up can be classified as "holding a person against their will - kidnap". Flogging/caning/spanking is technically assault & battery. Knifeplay/cutting is actually assault with a deadly weapon / GBH. All it takes is someone to complain after the event and the police will be obliged to make an arrest, however any "consent" was made at the time.

That's not being judgemental. That's having more of an open mind than those who automatically decide on a guilty verdict after just reading one news headline.

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"Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification, but through fidelity to a worthy purpose" Helen Keller (1880-1968)

Edited 3 Apr 07, 7:24 PM by MKane

aaah what the hell... this girl is with MKane on this one.

This girl has certainly come accross instances of women who decided after the act that they had been a victim of some sort (and if they weren't too keen on the sex they had, the easiest victim status to cry...is rape).... these are not instances of vicious stranger rape but date rape where in the old days (when this girl was a lass) one put it down to experience and not to be so bloody daft the next time. Bad regretable sex with someone you don't like much is part of the learning curve around sex.

But our present climate is all about women..women feeling safe.... not being victims... all very well and good... but it seems to go hand in hand with a lack of common sense and grounding in reality.

As MKane says...what we do in many instances as part of BDSM is illegal or if not illegal seen as very abusive... and Doms have to be just as careful if not more so than subs.... unless a scene goes TERRIBLY wrong a sub may come out of it with more bruises than she would have wished and maybe some wounded pride and rather than put it down to experience the cry that often goes up on the boards is 'report him'..... so a scens goes wrong and a Dom gets arrested.... maybe his whole life and family destroyed by someone who's BDSM boundaries weren't quite the same as his.

Communication communication communication...covers most eventualities.... but for every Dom out there who is a total nutter there are several subs who would cry abuse if you look at them wrong.

A Dom REALLY has to trust a sub if he's going to do anything REALLY Domly.

redcat

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I was thinking the same thing. Just because we see puppy play, I can't see that it must be - might it not just be two blokes being bastards / "having a laugh"? I'm pretty sure none of my vanilla mates would see this and say "oh, kinky bastards" - "sick bastards" maybe...

However, this could just be two fuckwits that are mad and thought it seemed like a laugh. It could be as some said a scene gone bad. It does seem a bit far fetched to be even someones fantasy.

Lets see how the trail goes and what further evidence comes to light. I do think that you would be highly unlikely to get into such an eleborate scene with someone you dont really know but thats just me.

God put me in charge so it is all my fault... sorry.

The trial HAS gone - they've been convicted of false imprisonment.

Isn't the point of the post, though, not a suggestion that this is a BDSM scene gone wrong but a reminder that some of what we do consensually and take for granted does happen barbarically and non-conseusually?

Also, a timely reminder of The Spanner Case.

What we do as part of our BDSM scenes *IS* illegal.

Spanner established the basic rule that consent is no defence to an assault charge arising from sadomasochistic play, so long as the injury is more than trivial. Bleeding, breaking the skin and bruising will strictly speaking break the law.

Tying someone up can be classified as "holding a person against their will/false imprisonment/kidnap". Flogging/caning/spanking is technically assault & battery. Knifeplay/cutting is actually assault with a deadly weapon / GBH. All it takes is someone to complain after the event and the police will be obliged to make an arrest, however any "consent" was made at the time.

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"Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification, but through fidelity to a worthy purpose" Helen Keller (1880-1968)

Edited 3 Apr 07, 7:43 PM by MKane