Charliegrrl: Censoring pro-porn feminism (94)

But referring to fictional images and roleplay as "rape" is a term used by the Government, people in favour of the law, and charliegrrl herself - I'll be the first person to say that these are nothing to do with rape by definition, as they are consensual/simulated.

Anyhow, the only thing offensive right now is the disaster that results from a mad blog post, when only the most misleading, innaccurate and illogical comments are published. It offends me, perhaps therefore, by their logic, we should criminalise extreme blog posting? Of course, normal blogs by normal people won't be affected, so it'll be okay.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/OpposeCensorship/

One person from the pro-law side has responded there, but the rest seem only willing to talk to people who will agree with whatever mad views they come up with next.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/OpposeCensorship/

Edited 5 Apr 07, 12:37 AM by emark

"We wanted to make it clear that Ladyfest Leeds has been put together with the overarching aim to celebrate creativity, diversity and promoting gender equality. It is an opportunity to build communities, collaborations and conversations amongst women and people supportive of gender equality. It will be an inclusive space for all kinds of feminisms and is intended to be a space for healthy debate.

We don't aim to prescribe what views a person can have to be defined as a feminist and accept that people don't always agree. It is not part of Ladyfest Leeds' mission to define, label or exclude."

Toak

To predict the behaviour of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence - Friedrich Nietzsche http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Violent-Porn/ http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ReviseF65/

We are just wasting our time and energy if we try to argue with such people. I think we should remember that they exist, but basically ignore them. We should concentrate on talking with people who at least to a small extent respect other people's opinions. And I think there should be more workshops like the one charliegrrrl is talking about. The workshop she is talking about is obviously making an impression on people already. That is a good thing. And by the way, it annoys the fanatics. That is a bonus.

It is a fact, though, that extremists like charliegrrrl are scaring lots of people away from calling themselves feminists. People hear about about closed-minded fanatics calling themselves feminists, and they think "I am not like that. If that is feminism, then I am not a feminist." Ok, I admit that I don't know for sure if that is the case in the UK, but it certainly is here in Norway, where I am. There are lots of people who support women's rights (of course!), but few who call themselves feminists. The extremists aren't exactly helping the cause of women's rights.

I do this for two reasons, one because it's fun to point out the glaring fallacies in their arguments that they manage to ignore and secondly because not all of them are necessarily as fanatical, eg there's a possibility that a couple of them will actually take the time to look at the links I posted above and *think* about them, rather than just dismissing them out of hand.

Oh, one other reason: Practice! I don't know if I'll ever be called on to eg be interviewed about this, but if I do, I know that I've already worked out answers to the sort of questions I could be faced with

Part of the problem, is that people like Charligrrl, are expressing the same mistruths as people like Martin Salter. I think it should always be countered, with rational fact based opinion.