Charliegrrl: Censoring pro-porn feminism (94)

I read it, and I posted the following (goodness knows if she'll take any notice):

I'll bet she's not anticipating pro-porn arguments that rely on quoting feminist authors...!

Ta,

SnowdropExplodes

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Sigh.

Seriously, if you don't have the mind to interpret us correctly, nor the stones to reply to our respective posts, why then are you bothering?

We're not happy about this law because our oft-discriminated culture is getting a lot of crap from a lot of people, despite the fact that 90% of us wouldn't be affected by the proposed law, we're getting more discrimination than ever, getting outed all over the place, and other things that I'm sure you'll agree shouldn't happen to minority groups.

The reason BDSM folks are beginning to speak out is because people like you seem to think that because a law is being passed, it's kosher to take public digs at us.

It's quite clear nothing's going to shut you up, nor do we intend to. You can be as gay as you like, but if you're opposing another sexual preference, then pot kettle kettle black, and it would do you well to remember all the times you've had intolerance shoved in your face by shouty people who didn't take the time to understand.

Stop making grossly sweeping comments about us because we don't beleive in the form the new law looks set to take. We don't like murderers either, but if you're seriously bent on beleiving the old Ted Bundy "The porn made me do it" plea, then you're grossly underestimating humanity at large, and its ability to make choices.

If you're going to purposefully webstalk everyone in the workshop, misquote them without linking back to prove you're not being an almighty wordtwister, and carry on in this vein, there'll only be a bigger gulf of misunderstanding, so stop wilfully encouraging it, acknowledge our humaunity, and we'll do the same.

Til then, don't shut up, you're only publically showing, to those who care to look further than your blog at least, that you're prepared to go to quite some length to misrepresent things that you do not stand for.

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Incidentally, since when did women allegedly indoctrinated by our culture also become the enemy?

If the average submissive fem kinkster is so 'indoctrinated' that she speaks out for bdsm, surely she's there to be reasoned with and talked back to to your way of thinking, not to be attacked as if she were the raping and pillaging male……?

Or are victims lost causes and therefore enemies?

I just can't fathom your modus operandi……

Be Kind, Man. Don't Be Mankind.-Don Van Vliet
linktomyself.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken

charlie: limiting each side of the argument to one website each doth not an open debate make. I know you won't join IC, so why not visiblise the replies on your own blog?

Don't want to tar your own comments section with dissent, maybe?

Be Kind, Man. Don't Be Mankind.-Don Van Vliet
linktomyself.

Edited 2 Apr 07, 11:55 PM by zombie_Thomasson

Quite frankly, you are as bad as a man. You are trying to tell other women what is and isn't acceptable for them to enjoy.

Well, (and this might come as a bit of a shock) I'm female, I'm not remotely brainwashed, and I enjoy sex. I'm proud of that!! I see it as a very feminine thing to enjoy sex, even with a man!! Sex is not simply a tool used by men to opress women, and you are propogating that view, and telling women that them enjoying sex with a man is dirty and wrong. Just like men have been doing for centuries to opress women. Again, how does that make you any better? You fool, you are using man's arguments to support your own narrow minded blinkered viewpoint of the world, without taking into account any actual evidence, of which there is none, to support this ant-violent porn stance.

The case studies and research that have been done show that there is no link between watching violent porn and carrying out violent acts, as you would see if you actually read the governments response to the consultation, where they admit there is no evidence to support them.

Open your eyes, your ears, and your mind, and never presume to tell a woman what she may and may not do, while calling yourself a feminist. You give all of them a bad name.

You tell us not to rub our activities in your face, while you are actively campaigning to have magazines that millions of people buy put out of business? You hypocrit!!

"I want what I want when I want it, what is so immature about that?!" - Jackie, That 70's Show

To any non-kinky feminists reading this: please don't be scared! We just want the right to engage in consensual activities and make images using consensual activities in peace unharrased by government.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken

Edited 3 Apr 07, 12:08 AM by doulos

We really can't stress this enough. Our point is that it is not we who are the enemy and the depraved. In fact, the more shock you might have reading all this, the more you should look deeper to find mutual understanding.

Be Kind, Man. Don't Be Mankind.-Don Van Vliet
linktomyself.

Edited 3 Apr 07, 12:10 AM by zombie_Thomasson

Yes, that certainly makes it considerably easier for the workshop to go ahead, for Ladyfest and for us, and I am grateful to her for that. At least anti-porn feminists will get a chance to see what the workshop actually intended to constitute, what Ladyfest's position actually was, and that my talk at Fightback did not mention rape fantasy, nor did I have any intention of bringing it up myself at Ladyfest.

Edited 3 Apr 07, 12:14 AM by verte