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Understanding Financial Domination?!?! (86)

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26 Mar 07, 6:56 PM
hopespringseternal
5 yrs
RavenMuse wrote:
hopespringseternal wrote:
I am talking of the totally unscrupulous Dommes that i know who will happily leave a guy destitute on the street rather than say "no, don't leave yourself with nothing, you owe me nowt." The ones who, as alluded to previously, very oddly think that emptying bank accounts and doing what amounts (in my opinion) to stealing is just their right. Those Dommes who tell the poor sod that they *need* the money much more than he does, and then go off and laugh to their friends about how cool it is getting money for nothing. Shoot them.

On the other side of that though, as the old adage puts it...

"A fool and his money are soon parted" Unlike other situations where subs (or even Doms) get ripped off by deception. The one thing I will say sort of "In favour" of FD is that it does exactly what it says on the tin. The Domme is saying "OK cash pig, give Me your money and I'll go enjoy Myself with it"... and she does.

Not something I'd be comfortable with but....

<<laughs>> true enough!!

"shake my body release my soul punish my senses lose control"

26 Mar 07, 7:24 PM
InformedContempt
5 yrs
RavenMuse wrote:
Cinnamon_Tart wrote:
We engage in this sort of game. I think he enjoys it as an aspect of my control over him. He's the sole breadwinner, and yet he wants to have NO MONEY at his disposal other than what I "give him". So I control the bank accounts etc.

This is to the extent that he asks for permission to use his credit cards, cheque book, to withdraw cash, and have any spending money for himself.

It's a game for us, which works very well, and I pay for everything when he and I go out anywhere together.

I guess many would argue many marriages work like this anyway: bloke earns, woman spends *grin. But this is a sort of ritualised power exchange game, in which he enjoys being punished if he transgresses.

He never has any money on him, and must ask for cash when he has errands to run.

Obviously, there is utter trust and respect on both sides. I would never dream of abusing his desire for such control.

NB We also have "safety" measures in place, in terms of him always having his credit/debit cards on him should he need access to money (he just has to call me first, or withdraw funds and "suffer the consequences" *grin. )

There is a big diffrence in a D/s relationship where responcibility for finances is handled by the Dom and permission required by the sub to step outside that which is already agreed as standing proccedure... and 'financial Dominantion' whereby the financial arrangement is the focus and 'reason' why the Dom is there.

The dynamic she has with her sub looks to be that of a couple who are excersising a D/s dynamic that is tantemount to what drew them to it in the 1st place. Which like the vast majority of people would be "I wonder if there are people out there like me who I can *RELATE* to?". I would strongly suspect that there is A LOT more pleasure to be had on both sides with that arrangement than a situation where one person is there for money while the other is there to try and get a sexual kick of some kind. A lot more pleasure simply because the wishes of both parties seem to be relatively one in the same in comparison!

Raven muse is right to say that its an entirely different kettle of fish which it obviously is.

Someone also mentioned that there are hardly and female subs into financial domination, which is of course true. I believe the reason for this is because there are more male Doms to go round thus much of the financial domination that goes on with female Dommes has more to do with the skewed numbers than anything else. When you look at masochism/submission in general on the whole youll find that essentially its anything that hurts or is controlling, across the whole board of everykind of sub with all their intricacies as to what any specific one is into you will find that (obviously lol). Therefor the blatant and strong discrepancy with F/m financial domination will draw one to the obvious conclusion. It can harldy be a suprise as if this kind of nature is that odd when we already know that often large corporate companies are very apprehensive to help people who are morally entitled to help because the company would not benefit financially. For example if people started dying from a food product the company would not give a flying toss if there where no consequences, so if a few people die but it wasnt the 20th or 21st century meaning there was not a communication system to make people more aware hence make the company more responsible then they are far less likely to bother!. Essentially the model here that is indicative and applies to many different things is one of "Because we can we will regardless".

Edited 26 Mar 07, 7:35 PM by InformedContempt

26 Mar 07, 7:47 PM
InformedContempt
5 yrs
Lady_in_training wrote:
Why are so many people knocking what is someone elses kink? I can understand the reasoning for men doing this as I have had many a long chat with FS about their reasons and what they get out of it.

However, I am not here to defend their views merely to say if it is not for you then you dont have to worry no-one is going to come along and make you do it. It is something that you either do or you dont.

Alot of subs enjoy helping out their Domme this could be seen as FS or it could be a nice gesture?

The last paragraph of yours there looks to me like an attempt at trying to connect 2 things that are pretty unrelated in order to make financial Domination look better. A lot of good subs like to help their Domme probably in the same way any Vanilla person would want to help out their partner. I do not think however that your last sentence can apply to both financial domination AND that. At best your last paragraph could only be ambiguos as to what you are really meaning. IF it does relate to where you say you have talked to many FS who tell you why they do it etc then it can only be a completely different meaning to how people would normally interpret your last paragraph, and that meaning would be that they are being entirely masochistic giving for nothing in order to get a masochistic sexual thrill. That is not something I disagree with of course but as per my above post I believe it is nothing like that simple and has many other factors to say the financial domination is a crock of shit.

26 Mar 07, 9:12 PM
Deviant_Bitch
UK(G), 6 yrs

Well your entitled to your opionion. However, why do you feel the need to pull apart other peoples words and make your own sound better?

Glasgow coffee club, coming to save you from the boredom of mills and boon.

26 Mar 07, 9:15 PM
Cinnamon_Tart
UK(S), 8 yrs

Cow_Empowerer wrote:
"...A lot of good subs like to help their Dom[me] probably in the same way any Vanilla person would want to help out their partner.

I like to bake cookies for him. Does that count?

*grin

Rach :)

PS Chocolate chip cookies

PPS The square brackets are mine

26 Mar 07, 10:20 PM
Mistress_Susannah
UK(SE), 6 yrs
£
With relation to the OP I've found that every relationship is different and based on different limits - rather like any other D/s or S/M relationship.

I no longer indulge in FD relationships with those I don't know as, through experience, I've found these to be completely unfulfilling for me.

I often find the main opposition for relationships such as these come from those that engage in the more S/M sides of BDSM rather than the D/s - FD is mainly a mental activity and those who are used to engaging in the more sensation based activities find it difficult to understand. For me the mental turn on is from power and control, money being an aprodisiac. As I've said many times before on fora such as these, the kick doesn't come from the monetary amount - it's often a fiver or so - it comes from the power that's invested within that and the sacrifice that goes along with that - rather like the sacrifice you give to your Dominant that goes along with pain play....it's just a rather more cerebral thing....

Edited 26 Mar 07, 10:22 PM by Mistress_Susannah

26 Mar 07, 10:36 PM
xcharlxxx
5 yrs
What about the D/s dynamic where you have a dom/me who wants to be the bread winner, who doesn't want the sub to work, who wants to look after their sub and for the sub in turn to look after them? In this case the sub has no access to independent finances? Is this financial dominance?

Equally, what about the sub who doesn't want to deal with their own money, who is willing to work for it, but who would prefer to hand it over and have their dom/me deal with the financial aspects of the relationship as part of their wanting to be nurtured and looked after within a D/s relationship?

Cx

26 Mar 07, 10:45 PM
InformedContempt
5 yrs
Lady_in_training wrote:
Well your entitled to your opionion. However, why do you feel the need to pull apart other peoples words and make your own sound better?

Essentially because the phrase: "Alot of subs enjoy helping out their Domme this could be seen as FS or it could be a nice gesture?" has a meaning to most people that is very different from Financial Domination. So like I said it looked to me like you where trying to relate the 2 to make Financial Domination look better.

Edited 26 Mar 07, 11:00 PM by InformedContempt

26 Mar 07, 10:49 PM
InformedContempt
5 yrs
Cinnamon_Tart wrote:
Cow_Empowerer wrote:
"...A lot of good subs like to help their Dom[me] probably in the same way any Vanilla person would want to help out their partner.

I like to bake cookies for him. Does that count?

Not enough nice cookie baking Dommes round, no WONDER you are not single.

Are they like those Japanese fortune cookies except with his pin code in them?

27 Mar 07, 7:26 AM
Cinnamon_Tart
UK(S), 8 yrs

Cat_Catagorizer wrote:

Not enough nice cookie baking Dommes round, no WONDER you are not single.

Are they like those Japanese fortune cookies except with his pin code in them?

LOL - nah....lock and key, darling, lock and key. He likes the weight, and the clink of the padlock against the cage. And the look in my eye as i close the padlock of a morning....

*weg :)

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