Is D/s anti-religious? (80)

Being a fallen catholic. I think the pope would not give a dam about the D/s but might be unhappy about the sex before marriage, condoms, pill, thressoms oh and the buggery.

edited to say I dont worship my top so at least false gods is of my sin sheet.

Try to think of my dyslexia as a challenge when reading my posts.

Edited 28 Feb 07, 1:01 AM by JessDay

I have faith, I understand the greater scheme of things, I am placed firmly within this reality.

To think that there is an omnipotent humanesque all seeing creator is completely absurd.

Religion is useless in my world and I can only see the problems that it causes.

I agree that many people take comfort in the fact that "it's not there fault 'cos god made it happen", I for one can see how ridiculous that statement is. I hope you can too.

xxx

Whatever comes to the eye, Leave it be. There are no commandments To be kept; There's no filth to be cleansed. Layman P'ang (740-808)

well, Elise Sutton is a committed christian and says (in "Female domination") that She finds no problem reconciling Her faith with Her position as head of Her household.

kawa

She shouts at him until he cries,
She drags him by "his" hair,
She puts on mary j bloody bilge
and beats him with a chair
(sigh)

I'm not sure

I go to The Cardiff Munch: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CardiffBdsmMunch/?...

I can't even begin to put into words how silly of an idea replacing one's spiritual system with a person seems to me. Show me the dominant who can control nature and I might revise that opinion.

Certainly one can respect one's dominant. Obsession to the point of imbalance in one's personal spiritual life is dangerous. It's not religion it is obsession. Call it what it is and if it is happening to you.. back away slowly.

SinPar

-- The weak are the most treacherous of us all. They come to the strong and drain them. They are bottomless. They are insatiable. They are always parched and always bitter. They are everyone's concern, and like vampires they suck our life's blood. (Bette Davis)

I think it depends on what feels like a sacrament in your life. For me, fucking is not sacramental in any way. Neither is beating someone. That doesn't mean I haven't had deeply spiritual experiences connected to kink, sex, or kinky sex from time to time, though.

I come from a time when there was a strong " beat them and fuck them" mentality about SM. There was no deep reflection or pondering on deep spiritual meanings. No burning sage. No crystals. Just pain and lust in varying combinations. Pleasure. Sleeping it off afterwards. Of course in those days the worst thing that could happen to you was pregnancy and the worst thing you could catch could be cured with penicillin. That was before HIV was widespread and back when HSV came in Type I and Type II.

My spiritual inspiration comes from a lot of places so the topics I reflect on are varied. If meditating and reflecting on BDSM or SM is all you choose to be inspired by, that's fine, I think you're limiting yourself, though.

SinPar

-- The weak are the most treacherous of us all. They come to the strong and drain them. They are bottomless. They are insatiable. They are always parched and always bitter. They are everyone's concern, and like vampires they suck our life's blood. (Bette Davis)

Edited 28 Feb 07, 4:36 AM by SinPar

I can't speak for other religions, only for my own understanding of Chistianity.

As I see it Christianty portrays God as Creator, who made the world annd proclaimed it to be "good". God made us all that we are including our bodies, and who said it is "good". The only thing in the creation which God says is "not good" is "It is not good for the man to be alone" so God creates another person for companionship. And then God proclaims it to be "very good".

God is portrayed as omnipotent in parts of the scriptures, but in others as loving, giving and even vulnerable. God in human form comes to earth, "emptying Himself of all but love" and being born of a young woman in a stable. The focus of the Christian scriptures is the crucified God, "high and lifted up". And God is portrayed as conquering death not through avoidance but through having incredible life force.

Thus for me Christianity is centred on a paradox of an ompnipotent yet vulnerable God.

As for D/s, I'm non practicing so my views here are provisional. But as I see it, if I were to "worship" or serve a Domme, that wouldn't involve recognising her as the supreme being. I see it more as a training experience. Especially I think of teasing and denial and even chastity as helping oneself to become less self-centred and hedonistic, and to put someone else's pleasure before my own (or even instead of ...). And then perhaps to find a deeper pleaure in service.

This is a really important thread and I look forward to writing more when time permits.

Wonderer

if you 'reconcile' D/s and religious faith it might be the only thing that would make me give up D/s, i can't stand religion, the crazy way it makes people talk, the fights it causes, the wars, who needs it? I for one have never truly believed in the Christian god, despite going to church the first 12 years of my life and being the son of a church organist and that's the way it's going to stay. i say keep religion outta D/s (apart from Goddess worship obviously lol)

in saying that, i quite fancy taking part in a scene where i was being presented as some sort of sacrifice, but that's another story

come back you yellow bastard, i'll bite your legs off!

"What may be seen by one,may often be dark or obscure to another."

Christianity, then again, i don't think i'd be particularly keen on mixing any organised religion with BDSM.

come back you yellow bastard, i'll bite your legs off!