Enforcment of skin piercing activities (17)

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Posted by Forsaken1 on Fri 23 Feb 07, 6:05 PM

Because one person decided to turn this into a pissing contest, I'm afraid I have had no alternative but to post this in my defence and to prove once and for all that the professional piercing guidelines set out by the government fall into a whole different category to HOSPITALS the reason for this is............... we pierce, they fix!

Go figure that we know what we are talking about when it comes to body piercing eh??

You try and give advice to the best of your knowledge and some just feel that your doing it for ulterior motives, I don't care what games some are playing with others, I never posted it because of what ever reason you want to make up, I posted because its in relation to something I love with a passion and wanted to help!

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Everything you wanted to know about piercing regulations and we're afraid to ask!..........http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/76-2app.htm

Edited to add: well who really wants to read all that when a link will do!

Edited Fri 23 Feb 07, 6:37 PM by Forsaken1

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23 Feb 07, 7:57 PM
BikerButch
UK, 3 yrs but there is no regulation on who can pierce is this correct?? and what about people who do mobile piercing?? thanks

23 Feb 07, 9:09 PM
Sinmara
UK(SW), 3 yrs
Y!
well it's up to the person that gets pierced to inform himself on what to look for in a good piercer - autoclav, changing of gloves after each step, etcetc
There's an association of professional piercers (http://www.safepiercing.org/) for example, if a studio is member of them you can be sure they're up to scratch
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23 Feb 07, 9:11 PM
Forsaken1
UK(B), 3 yrs
£

bikerbutch wrote:
but there is no regulation on who can pierce is this correct??
As stated in the directive yes?
<snip> 19. Training of cosmetic piercers and the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations, 1999
The HSW Regulations, 1999 also requires employers to provide whatever information, instruction, training and supervision that is necessary to ensure, so far as is reasonable practicable, the health and safety of their employees.
An employer is therefore required to provide adequate employee training to ensure that they can carry out their work safely. However, there is no recommended period of study for cosmetic piercing training, and LA enforcement officers may have to rely on discussion with newly trained people to establish their competence during work activities.
At this time there are no nationally approved training courses available for UK body piercers, although a number of commercially run courses are available. It is recommended that basic first aid training and infection control guidance be provided as part of any cosmetic piercing training course. The latter is available within this document and via other authoritative sources. HABIA, part of the Consumer Services Industry Authority (CSIA), is the Standards Setting Body with responsibility for both body piercing and tattooing at the time of writing. HABIA is developing occupational standards for skin piercing activities and these may lead to the implementation of qualifications in the future. For more information visit www.habia.org.
This is why some coerced and started the B.B.P.A ((the British Body Piercing Association)) unfortunately there are no regulations in place for a recognised qualification, the above association was formed due to the initial regulations set by local authorities, as to what was needed in place to open a studio.
Initially the info structure of the charter was written by qualified surgeons and GP's, where if truth be known had absolutely no experience in the art of body modification and tried ((bless em)) for our benefit to describe how a piercing should be carried out, so us that set our own standards and had been doing so for years; deemed that this was not good enough and approached the local authorities with our own recommendations, Pauline Clarke ((a very recognised figure in the piercing world) was the spokeswomen and after years of meeting; the local authorities agreed that there was precedence for a re-write of the directive and it was set in place.
There are still meetings taking place to set a qualification as we feel with the recent influx of blood related diseases it is the only course of action left!

bikerbutch wrote:
and what about people who do mobile piercing?? thanks
With regards to mobile piercers, As long as you are not doing it for gain or reward and follow the hygiene and safety procedure regulations it is totally legal.
I hope this answers your questions.
Damien
Leather & Lace
I will seduce your mind and have your body, your soul you can keep! quote by me
Edited 23 Feb 07, 9:41 PM by Forsaken1

23 Feb 07, 9:14 PM
Forsaken1
UK(B), 3 yrs
£

Sinmara wrote:
well it's up to the person that gets pierced to inform himself on what to look for in a good piercer - autoclav, changing of gloves after each step, etcetc
There's an association of professional piercers (http://www.safepiercing.org/) for example, if a studio is member of them you can be sure they're up to scratch
Sorry sinmara, they conform to US regulations and are not governed within the UK.
Edited to add: there are only two recognised body piercing associations within the UK one has already been mentioned by me and the other was set up within a training program and you became a member on satisfactory completion of the course that one is the P.A.U.K ((Piercers Association United Kingdom)) this was the first of its kind within the UK and the B.B.P.A has only been introduced in the last few years.
I forgot to thank you also for the link, I'm gunna have a good nose at that on me thinks
Damien

Leather & Lace
I will seduce your mind and have your body, your soul you can keep! quote by me
Edited 23 Feb 07, 9:27 PM by Forsaken1

23 Feb 07, 9:41 PM
BikerButch
UK, 3 yrs
Forsaken1 wrote:
With regards to mobile piercers, As long as you are not doing it for gain or reward and follow the hygiene and safety procedure regulations it is totally legal.
I hope this answers your questions.
Damien

sorry just one more.... doing it for gain or reward.... if one did do it for gain or reward would they be doing it illegally?

23 Feb 07, 9:45 PM
Forsaken1
UK(B), 3 yrs
£

bikerbutch wrote:

Forsaken1 wrote:
With regards to mobile piercers, As long as you are not doing it for gain or reward and follow the hygiene and safety procedure regulations it is totally legal.
I hope this answers your questions.
Damien

sorry just one more.... doing it for gain or reward.... if one did do it for gain or reward would they be doing it illegally?
Yes, then the premises would have to be regulated by the local authorities and a certificate issued.
Damien

Leather & Lace
I will seduce your mind and have your body, your soul you can keep! quote by me

23 Feb 07, 9:47 PM
BikerButch
UK, 3 yrs ahhhhh i see...... so there should be no such thing as mobile piercers? very interesting. thanks for the post..

23 Feb 07, 9:49 PM
Forsaken1
UK(B), 3 yrs
£

bikerbutch wrote:
ahhhhh i see...... so there should be no such thing as mobile piercers? very interesting. thanks for the post..
Not ones that take monies or goods as payment for services rendered no!
Leather & Lace
I will seduce your mind and have your body, your soul you can keep! quote by me

26 Feb 07, 8:24 PM
David_uk
UK(GU), 4 yrs

No it was not a case of a pissing contest ( as you so elegantly put it ) more a case of informing of real facts rather than ill practice.
People who claim to be experts in the field and write posts should have at least have studied their subject matter and be intelligent enough to learn from others without making or indeed taking any critism as a personal vendetta.
We should all live and learn and people have taken the time and trouble to post threads to help others. This isnt about point scoring its about sharing information and experiences and such childish snipes will only deter people from trying to help others.
I hope everyone with information to share can have the courage to post regardless of these playground antics.
David
Edited 26 Feb 07, 9:15 PM by David_uk

26 Feb 07, 9:54 PM
broken_angel1
2 yrs
I have to agree with David UK here. we are all entitled to be enlightened with whichever knowledge is available to us and while I agree with Damien that it is better to have information from source , a professional opinion regards hygiene is for the likes of me (just beginnig to enter needle play//piercing )just as helpful.Surely processing all the information and using those relevant to you is a much wiser choice than ignoring what may be valuable advice simply because it has not come from a piercer. As a professonal (and indeed a qualified piercer herself)any advice offered should be welcomed and considered wether eventually adehered to or not. Is that not one of the reasons we are all here, to learn from each other???
Hold that tear my dear, do not let it fall, lest it be the beginning of a flood!
Edited 26 Feb 07, 9:56 PM by broken_angel1

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