An argument supporting the legislation? (20)

And is this a bad thing?

People who support this legislation are terrified of diversity, of anything that challenges their smug, fragile sense of normality.

Sorry to snip the whole OP, slave_zero.

"There is a big secret about sex: most people don't like it."
Leo Bersani.

Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future.

However you might be guilty of "acts preparatory to terrorism".

2) These proposals aren't about the legality of consensual GBH (indeed, even consensual ABH is illegal). Depictions of criminal acts aren't illegal, and this would cover acts which are legal to perform. Ad hominem.

3) Completely absurd and irrelevant slippery slope argument. How about "If this should be criminalised, why not ban all porn?" A gun and plutonium are inherently dangerous, unlike an image. Fake guns and pictures of guns are legal.

4+5) Unsupported weasel-worded ("agreed by most legal professionals", "many sexuality experts") claims.

6) Completely irrelevant since this is about images, including fake images, not acts. And is he really suggesting that sex should be illegal, so we don't explain things by "consent"?!

I nominate this for the weakest set of arguments in favour I've seen so far!

Nice one Chap, I like that. Wonder what Thomas Kuhn would have said to that.

Anyway:

Damned good thing too, and about bloody time! It was hell, when we were all so isolated, I kind of envy the new generation, like that. The perve genie is out of the bottle, and long may it play.

I'll take a shot at it

Only the one - if it is conclusive and verifiable.

Inaccurate. Evolutionary maybe but progressive? If it were progressive we would have stopped having wars after the first one. We would devote resources to improving the quality of life of all the human race - not just the wealthy few. Justice would be available to all. To progress we must learn from our mistakes - not continue to repeat them.

The debate was academic - no factual evidence was produced regarding social harm. The decisions were made by people who had no knowledge of the practices nor the people involved. The decisions were based in assumption, predjudice and outdated 'moral' perceptions. As for "...whether consensual grievous bodily harm was legal" I give you one word - Boxing.

Libraries and books are wonderful things but you need two skills. The ability to read is one - the ability to comprehend is another.

And your point is ...? Our governments possess access to all three - they are made up of ordinary people too. A further point is that those who wish to use such things will do so irrespective of legislation. Gun control has not reduced gun crime in the UK, drug prohibition has not resolved the drug problem. The plutonium reference is apocraphal and weakens your argument.

Legal professionals have a knowledge base that covers legal matters. In terms of the effect that pornography might or might not have on the human psyche legal professionals are naught but lay persons and just as capable of delivering uninformed opinion as the next person.

Please cite your sources of this statement. There currently exists no body of legitimate research that can definitively support that statement. In point of fact, all of the accredited research of the last 60 years suggests that the diversity of sexual practice shows no greater 'deviation' now than existed pre internet.

And thus we come to it - the legislation will make the legal professions job easier. Is that it? Is that the sum total of your argument? Not enough to justify oppressive legislation in my book nor that of John Stuart Mill. John Stuart Mill? Go check the library my friend.

Laurence

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The research behind, pornography increasing sexual diversity is almost non existant. Life is not a myth it is a science. People do not just suddenly become homo/bisexual after seeing an image, there must already be an implantation within that person for them to be searching for the images in the first place.

We all have needs and we all become curious and have a need to satisfy this curiosity, but after experimentation those that genuinely did not enjoy/ feel that is was them relaise that it was just a curiosity not a need.

We are all hedonists, we do things for pleasure. If something wasn't pleasureable in some way shape or form we wouldn't do it. Tattoo's, piercings, scarification, are technically bodily harm, although not permenant you see people putting themselves through it every day. Be it for the rush of adrenalin and endorphines creating a state of euphoria, be it for the look (asthetics), or be it for the acknowledgement from others that they can put themselves though it we all ultimately seek pleasure in whatever we are doing.

Some people say that you cannot know true pleasure until you have expierienced pain. Those who wish to take themselves to a higher level of mental state so say that this is the only way to gain mental clarity and reject ego. Where submissives are taken after a session is that higher plane, nothing else matters, your mind is empty and ready for thought, the sheer pleasure is focused and harnessed, and can therefore be used in a constructive way. Genital contain the endorphins, buttocks being the most commonly used area for stimulation, together those two in combination create the sense of euphoria. If we could all achieve this then there would be no need for drugs and guns.

People use drugs and guns because it pleases them to do so.

So tell me, what do you take pleasure in?

So does this mean that male homosexualists tend to have smaller brains as one might expect of women?

And does that imply that lesbians are better motor mechanics than gay men?

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