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Should a mentor punish? (29)

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2 Oct 06, 12:17 PM
druidic
UK(DD), 12 yrs
My interpretation of a mentor would be someone to guide and educate in a non-intimate fashion, therefore punishments would not be appropriate.

However, it is what is discussed and agreed upon by the two people involved that is important, and if punishments are part of it then fair dos.

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2 Oct 06, 12:32 PM
MKane
9 yrs
http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/boards/ukds/982...

Personally, I'd agree with what seems like the majority view on this topic. Mentor and Master are usually 2 completely different roles, unless the primary dynamic is that of Master/sub, (in which case "mentoring" can be part of that, but not vice-versa). Your Dom may mentor you, but your Mentor shouldn't be Domming you.

Being a Mentor is a platonic role that requires a lot of trust, and is there for advice and guidance, not for play.

Unfortunately, some Doms may use the pretext of being a Mentor, as an excuse for playing with a naive and vulnerable newbie sub, but without the commitment of an acknowledged Master/sub responsibility. (I'm not saying that is necessarily the case here). I think introducing play into a Mentor/mentoree relationship, is taking advantage of the trust necessary in that dynamic..

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Edited 2 Oct 06, 12:37 PM by MKane

2 Oct 06, 12:36 PM
The_Dungeoneers
UK(NR), 5 yrs
Backdooruk wrote:
Sounds more like a 'trainer' than a mentor, but maybe both parties alrady know what sort of interaction they expect what ever they call it. In my view a mentor should generaly be the same orientation (sub for sub, dom for dom).

- Chris

Very nicely put. I agree.

Laurence

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2 Oct 06, 12:49 PM
MarkVarley*
UK(PE), 7 yrs
I also say NO.

whatever is agreed between two people is up to them even if they choose to use the word 'mentor'.

However to me a mentor is there for guidence without any kind of D/s S/m etc dynamic and so a punishment should not be happening. A sample caning perhaps so a newbie can feel what it's like maybe but not as a punishment.

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2 Oct 06, 1:31 PM
missuslovett
UK(TN), 5 yrs
Mentor comes from the Odyssey. When Odysseus left for the Trojan war he left Mentor in charge of his son - It is a trusted friend. Thats my understanding. Not someone who beats the cak outta you if you screw up...

Goodness had nothing to do with it Honey

2 Oct 06, 1:50 PM
MasterG63
6 yrs
Backdooruk wrote:
MasterG63 wrote:
When we 'Mentor' subs at clubs we protect them, keep an eye on them & make sure they get what they want & need form being there, safe in the knowedge that someone is looking out for them.

Does this all only apply to subs? Why?

- Chris

Not specifically.

So far it has only been subs that have asked for it but the principal can be extended to anyone.....

Let me know which clubs you want to go to & I will be happy to keep an eye on you to make sure you are ok..

;-)

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Edited 2 Oct 06, 1:51 PM by MasterG63

2 Oct 06, 1:57 PM
MarkVarley*
UK(PE), 7 yrs
missuslovett wrote:
Mentor comes from the Odyssey. When Odysseus left for the Trojan war he left Mentor in charge of his son - It is a trusted friend. Thats my understanding. Not someone who beats the cak outta you if you screw up...

Eloquently put :-D

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"You have the right to remain Violent"

2 Oct 06, 1:59 PM
Backdooruk
UK(BA), 12 yrs
missuslovett wrote:
Mentor comes from the Odyssey. When Odysseus left for the Trojan war he left Mentor in charge of his son - It is a trusted friend. Thats my understanding. Not someone who beats the cak outta you if you screw up...

Except that in that context Mentor was in loco parentis and probably did punish Odysseus' son by beating the crap out of them...

- Chris

Old member names: Backdoor, 1999-2002; Notvelvet, 2003-2004; Thought, 2004-2005.

2 Oct 06, 2:08 PM
Backdooruk
UK(BA), 12 yrs
MasterG63 wrote:
So far it has only been subs that have asked for it but the principal can be extended to anyone.....

Let me know which clubs you want to go to & I will be happy to keep an eye on you to make sure you are ok..

The reason I made a point of asking was there is often an assumption from some people that subs (or women in general) are people who need more support to function as adults than other people do.

I'm sure that doesn't apply to you though. ;-)

- Chris

Old member names: Backdoor, 1999-2002; Notvelvet, 2003-2004; Thought, 2004-2005.

Edited 3 Oct 06, 10:00 AM by Backdooruk

2 Oct 06, 3:14 PM
Mistress_Susannah
UK(SE), 7 yrs
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Firstly, as others have said, it seems strange that she's being mentored by a Dom - I would have expected a sub to be mentored by another sub.

With regards to punishment, that's fine if it's an agreed part of their relationship and she's happy for it to happen. After all, it's an important part of a D/s relationship and being mentored/trained to take it is invaluable.

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