Event Photographs (50)

Wed 13 Aug 08, 7:56 AM
Proccie
UK, 2 yrs
Ok now I am angry.
A little while ago a friend pointed me to a photograph of myself, over a spanking bench being spanked at a club. The photo was on a a profile other than mine on this site. following the links on the profile I found the same photo on that persons website.
Now at this distance in time I am not sure if I was asked if it was OK to take my photo. I can't remember giving my permission or not. I do know I did not give my permission for any photo to be used publicly. Ok so you would have to know me to recognise me in the photo, but isn't that the point?
Today I found photos of a fetish event plastered all over the "Don't Stay In" website. Those photos contained pictures of a non out, publicity shy friend of mine. They did not know they were there. Those photos were once again also in use on a profile here.
They were posted by the club promoter.
How clear a breach of scene etiquette can there be? I am not sure if it is against the AUP to name and shame a club and it's promoter. Could Admin please advise on this? I for one will never go to that club.
Oh and don't anyone point a camera at me in a club, ever again.
proccie.
EDITED TO ADD. I am not having a pop at those trusted friends who have taken my picture at Hades and Lovetrix in the past. They know who they are and they have my trust and thanks. Don
Zen S and M: The sound of one hand smacking.
Edited Wed 13 Aug 08, 9:33 AM by Proccie

13 Aug 08, 8:01 AM
ClassAct2005
UK, 3 yrs
If the rules of the event are no photographs to be taken then they should not be (the Michael Douglas wedding court decision where cameras were banned at the wedding said that). If someone is in a street you can usually photograph them without permission and publish the photo in the UK. If you're at a BDSM event even if there are no photo restrictions it is probably implied photos will not be taken and published (just like they could not publish information about Naomi Campbell leaving a narcotics anonymous meeting as that information about drugs was private to her just as our sexuality is private to us - if it is private (if someone is "out" that may be different). If the person consented even then they may not have consented to use in the ways you described. Anyway it's certainly not on and you should have them remove the pictures.

13 Aug 08, 8:31 AM
Proccie
UK, 2 yrs

ClassAct2005 wrote:
If the rules of the event are no photographs to be taken then they should not be.
But It is still happening.
The picture of me is still up on the pro-Dommes website despite me asking for it to be taken down. Once a picture is up on the internet you have lost control, it can be copied anywhere.
The picture of me was taken by the official club photographer, whilst I was in the middle of a scene. Not on.
proccie
Zen S and M: The sound of one hand smacking.

13 Aug 08, 8:35 AM
Kitti_Whitaker
2 yrs Well, if people take photos in a club, which will usually be the official club photographers, they do usually ask if it's ok, they are meant to anyway. They take these pictures usually not so they can give it to whoever is on them as a present, but because they want to use it to promote the club and we kind of all know that because the clubs websites are up on the net and most have a photo section.
Once photos are taken its going to be difficult to track, and yes there are laws and regulations but in the end a lot of them arent workable in practice so the best is just to be careful and not feature on photos or take the risk.
It might also be a good idea to tell the dom/me you are playing with not to allow you to be photographed, although when I play, while obviously not in sub space, I also focus on play, so not sure I would notice.

Edited 13 Aug 08, 8:42 AM by Kitti_Whitaker

13 Aug 08, 8:50 AM
Proccie
UK, 2 yrs

Kitti_Whittaker wrote:
Well, if people take photos in a club, which will usually be the official club photographers, they do usually ask if it's ok, they are meant to anyway. They take these pictures usually not so they can give it to whoever is on them as a present, but because they want to use it to promote the club and we kind of all know that because the clubs websites are up on the net and most have a photo section.
Once photos are taken its going to be difficult to track, and yes there are laws and regulations but in the end a lot of them arent workable in practice so the best is just to be careful and not feature on photos or take the risk.
It might also be a good idea to tell the dom/me you are playing with not to allow you to be photographed, although when I play, while obviously not in sub space, I also focus on play, so not sure I would notice.

In the two cases I mentioned the photos were taken by the club photographer and used without permission. THAT is the point I am making. That is two club promoters and two photographers who are not trustworthy.

Zen S and M: The sound of one hand smacking.

13 Aug 08, 8:54 AM
Marmite
UK(CB), 2 yrs
Bang out of order that this is still going on.
I would suggest naming and shaming the club and or promoters if all memo's and mails have proved fruitless.
As I said to you before, even when I have had permission to use people's pictures for the various websites and they have changed their minds the pictures come down.
It beggers belief that someone would be so promotionally anal that they overlook the confidentiality of their clientelle.
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13 Aug 08, 8:57 AM
Kitti_Whitaker
2 yrs Well, you did say you can't remember whether you have given permission or not. The other question is, if I give permission for someone to take a picture, would it stop there? It clearly wouldn't, because they want to use that picture somewhere, that's why they are taking it, so in other words, I am just talking about common sense and things that are workable.
Club play is public play and will involve some sort of a risk in this sense. I am sure they will take it off their site if you make it clear that you have not consented though, if you say you can't remember, that's a different ball game all together. Even then, I am sure they will take it off for you.

Proccie wrote:
Now at this distance in time I am not sure if I was asked if it was OK to take my photo. I can't remember giving my permission or not. I do know I did not give my permission for any photo to be used publicly. Ok so you would have to know me to recognise me in the photo, but isn't that the point?

Edited 13 Aug 08, 9:03 AM by Kitti_Whitaker

13 Aug 08, 9:08 AM
mrboo_sirevilbastard
UK(RM), 7 yrs
If no consent was given you have a case but in a club or a bar you may lose as you been informed of them taking them before you entered the club. But it's not right a few months ago I was part of a filming for a porn film on the 2nd day I was asked about the CCTV system and was it on. I told them yes the flim makers was upset as I told them I could not wipe it. the same goes for us every venue that is a nightclub will have cctv system recording play so be warned. it takes one person to burn a copy.
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13 Aug 08, 9:10 AM
Proccie
UK, 2 yrs

Kitti_Whittaker wrote:
Well, you did say you can't remember whether you have given permission or not. The other question is, if I give permission for someone to take a picture, would it stop there? It clearly wouldn't, because they want to use that picture somewhere, that's why they are taking it, so in other words, I am just talking about common sense and things that are workable.
Club play is public play and will involve some sort of a risk in this sense. I am sure they will take it off their site if you make it clear that you have not consented though, if you say you can't remember, that's a different ball game all together. Even then, I am sure they will take it off for you.

Common sense suggests that I do not want to play in a club where there is a photographer any more. Trust has been broken in the two cases I mention (and in a few more that I have not mentioned, one involving video shot by a club owner). Common sense suggests it is foolish for a club promoter to act in this way and piss off his client�le.
Edited to add. I do not appreciate being picked apart word by word. I did not give my permission for the picture of me during a scene. I did not know the picture had been taken I did not give my permission for my picture to be used on a website. Picture still has not been removed after I asked nicely twice. Simple end of.
Zen S and M: The sound of one hand smacking.
Edited 13 Aug 08, 9:37 AM by Proccie

13 Aug 08, 9:13 AM
littlequeerboy
UK, 2 yrs
I've had five pictures of me (two at one event and three at another) taken by club photographers and put on websites without any consent on my part (three were taken in the middle of play scenes). Only one of the pictures clearly showed my face - I contacted the people who put it up and they were very apologetic and took it down immediately.
Edited 13 Aug 08, 9:26 AM by littlequeerboy

13 Aug 08, 9:25 AM
rodm99
UK(CB), 3 yrs

ClassAct2005 wrote:
If the rules of the event are no photographs to be taken then they should not be (the Michael Douglas wedding court decision where cameras were banned at the wedding said that). If someone is in a street you can usually photograph them without permission and publish the photo in the UK. If you're at a BDSM event even if there are no photo restrictions it is probably implied photos will not be taken and published (just like they could not publish information about Naomi Campbell leaving a narcotics anonymous meeting as that information about drugs was private to her just as our sexuality is private to us - if it is private (if someone is "out" that may be different). If the person consented even then they may not have consented to use in the ways you described. Anyway it's certainly not on and you should have them remove the pictures.
And the average member of IC of course has the Douglas's or Ms Campbell's financial resources to fight this in court?
I think your argument is probably a flawed interpretation of the law - it's certainly not of much practical help. I'd just stay clear of any club that allows photography in play areas without specific permission of the players.
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Edited 14 Aug 08, 5:14 PM by rodm99

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